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26 February 2007 @ 11:16 am
It's a reproductive organ. GET OVER IT.  
WARNING: FEMINIST RANTING AHEAD. Believe it or not, I don't hate all men. Just the ones on this obscene gendered power-trip. Also, I know that not all Christians adhere to the orthodox ideas I'm tearing into, here. I'm just trying to vent.

Okay-- I was trying to let this go. I had some work I wanted to get done over my hour break. But, silly me, I made the mistake of checking on the Demonology class discussion board to see what was going on. I mentioned earlier that some guy made a post saying that 'man's greatest battle is for sexual purity; woman's greatest battle is to accept she must submit to man'.
"Submit to man"!? Bull shit.

I posted back, managing to reign in my anger and point of the illogic in this arguement. A) The Bible was written in a society that constructed men as the 'dominant' gender, and of course reflects such; B) this directly contradicts the idea of God as loving and just, as no loving/just God would create one half of a species to 'submit' to the other; C) man is not genetically structured to be any more of a 'leader' than woman is. But there I was, being silly again, because I was using logic.

Some other guy jumped in and said that women naturally want to submit to men because they are upset they don't have penises. Women, he said, "feel vulnerable because they don't have one [a penis], and want a man to stick around and protect the family with his." Oh, yeah, the fearsome penis. I'm trembling, alright. With disgust!

The problems with this Freudian line of arguement are endless; A) so, what, women can't protect their families because they don't have a penis?; B) why would you feel vulnerable without a penis? I'd feel more vulnerable with one! It's on the outside after all, and relatively easy to dismember; C) Freud had his own issues, which need to be carefully examined-- not only the cultural and historical context of his writings, but also the fact he was by no means a detatched observer. He had issues, too! (Clearly.)

For the last time, dudes: I DON'T WANT A PENIS. I never have, and I never will! I like my vagina. It's well-constructed, serves multiple purposes, and is nicely tucked up away inside me. I'm sorry to get so graphic, but I don't understand why some men are so completely obsessed with their genitals. It's an organ! It's like your liver, or your stomach, or your spleen! Stimulating the tastebuds gives pleasure, the same way stimulating the genitals gives pleasure. Okay, so it's not as good as sex (well, maybe chocolate), but it's all a matter of degree. As I stated perviously, I am rather fond of having a vagina, but my life does not revolve around it.

Both guys wrote these comments saying that they wanted to help me "understand woman's place" in the scheme of things. Okay, so let's assume for just a moment that there is an all powerful smite-you-damn-you God up there, and that he did make women to be subordinate to men. (Terrifying. It's a good thing we're only pretending.) Even if you were to give me incontravertible proof of such, I would not care. I would rather go to hell and burn there forever than follow such a facist, oppressive proclamation. If that's what God is really like that, then he's not God-- he's just a big playground bully, and he can bite my ass.

But guess what? It makes no sense for God to be like that. An all powerful supreme being would: A) have no sex or gender, as both are finite concepts; B) love and empathize with all Her/His/Its creations, and never create a group simply to suffer under the yoke of another; C) be incredibly unfathomable to our mortal minds-- as such, communication would be limited on this plane, and would require altered conciousness to obtain.

And people ask me why we still need feminism! Ha!
Actually, at this point, a baseball bat would probably be good, too.
-Meredith
 
 
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elycharielychari on February 26th, 2007 04:45 pm (UTC)
men subjugating women...it's actually a reflection of their own inflated egos and insecurities.

after all, only men are obsessed with penises, their own and other men's.
Meredith Bronwen Mallory: alicekatie2garnettrees on February 28th, 2007 01:13 pm (UTC)
Exactly. You don't go to such lengths to put someone down if, deep down, you're not really afraid they're better than you. ^_^;;

after all, only men are obsessed with penises, their own and other men's.
*giggle* Shh, that last bit is supposed to be secret! ^_~
Shezanshezan on February 26th, 2007 05:30 pm (UTC)
There's such a thing as a Demonology class?

Meredith Bronwen Mallory: darla_dru3garnettrees on February 28th, 2007 01:13 pm (UTC)
It's actually called 'Demons in the Bible and Related Texts', but we call it Demonology because it's shorter, and it sounds awesome. ^_^
-Meredith
Macadamanaitymacadamanaity on February 26th, 2007 05:34 pm (UTC)
Wow. You have shown admirable restraint in not hunting these dudes out with a baseball bat, which is something, upon reading you paraphrasing their comments, I am rather inclined to do.

Also, I have this really hilarious image in my head now, of some guy standing infront of his house and white-picket-fence, waving his penis around at passers-by, to protect his property. Heh.

'Boys are dumb. Throw rocks at them.' - is about all I can contribute constructively to this discussion, because the opposition isn't sensical enough to respond to properly. Or, at least the world shouldn't be a place where people think it is.
Macadamanaitymacadamanaity on February 27th, 2007 12:47 am (UTC)
Also, ha, this is why I shouldn't be allowed on teh internets first thing in the morning - I somehow didn't realize that the baseball bat thing was referred to IN your post and NOT my head. *le sigh* Let's change the weapon in my case to 'plastic spork' because then I'm not accidentally/secertly stealing your ideas.
Meredith Bronwen Mallory: marinegirlgarnettrees on February 28th, 2007 01:18 pm (UTC)
A plastic spork has its advantages. We could poke their eyeballs out! Or do serious damage to that part of their anatomy they seem so obsessed with. ^_~
-Meredith
Meredith Bronwen Mallory: marinegirlgarnettrees on February 28th, 2007 01:17 pm (UTC)
Oh, trust me, I'm quite inclined to violence. But they have at least enough sense not to say things in class, where I have a face to put with the name for list-of-offenders. Whaddaya know, they have some survival insincts after all!

some guy standing infront of his house and white-picket-fence, waving his penis around at passers-by, to protect his property. Heh.
*giggles* That would be a great feminist cartoon! The capton could be 'Freud in Practice'.

'Boys are dumb. Throw rocks at them'
Sounds like a plan to me! Honestly, you're right about the opposition not being sensible, which is exactly why I dond't post anything back on the board itself. *sigh* Can't argue with a brick wall.
-Meredith
misanthrope1misanthrope1 on February 26th, 2007 05:40 pm (UTC)
I'll send you a baseball bat! Jerks!
Meredith Bronwen Mallory: carolgarnettrees on February 28th, 2007 01:19 pm (UTC)
*grins* Thank you!
luthorienneluthorienne on February 26th, 2007 05:53 pm (UTC)
Dude! who wants a penis? They seem to be out of control most of the time.
Meredith Bronwen Mallorygarnettrees on February 28th, 2007 01:19 pm (UTC)
Totally out of control. Someone needs to call the exterminator, or something. Animal Control, maybe.
-Meredith
Abyssis: SG1 - Sam hangs in thereabyssinia4077 on February 26th, 2007 06:39 pm (UTC)
Hee :) Now I'm imagining men running around hitting people with their penises to protect their women/family/territory.
Because, really, penises are just inherently incredibly silly looking and very much not intimidating.

Regardless - those attitudes aren't very funny and I'm sorry you have to deal with misogynistic asshats. I have a nice, heavy metal softball bat if you need to borrow it.
Meredith Bronwen Mallory: pmsgarnettrees on February 28th, 2007 01:22 pm (UTC)
Because, really, penises are just inherently incredibly silly looking and very much not intimidating.
I think it's because they look so silly that men need us to take them so seriously. *shakes heads* Your image is exactly the one I pictured when I read the post!

The attitudes aren't funny, and I can 't believe the professor-- who's normally so good about this stuff-- hasn't stepped in. I guess he might be worried that any interference on his part will come off as anti-religious, instead of anti-sexist. *sigh*

I may take you up on that offer.
-Meredith
Elanor Graveselgraves on February 26th, 2007 06:44 pm (UTC)
What on earth is he blathering about? I don't need a penis to protect my family. *smirk* I need an AK-47. I would pit my gun against his penis any day.
Meredith Bronwen Mallory: zoegarnettrees on February 28th, 2007 01:23 pm (UTC)
I don't need a penis to protect my family. *smirk* I need an AK-47.
My weapon of choice! I love you. ^_~

I would pit my gun against his penis any day.
It'd be a short lived battle, that's for sure. *shark smile*
-Meredith
gamesiplaygamesiplay on February 26th, 2007 08:58 pm (UTC)
...um, WOW. Sometimes I forget that people like that still exist in the world.

I am so, so sorry you have to deal with them. What craziness.
Meredith Bronwen Mallory: brokenheartsgarnettrees on February 28th, 2007 01:25 pm (UTC)
I know. You walk around thinking things might be half-way civilized, and then... bam. You run into one of these arsewipes. Men.
At least there are darling, intelligent people such as yourself to compensate! ^_^
-Meredith
toujourspur1 on May 23rd, 2007 07:03 am (UTC)
Ah, yes, the big penus. Let all women cower to the ground and shake in fear. Let us all pay obesience to the great dicks. Or, alternatively, castration might be effective for the thoughtless bastards.