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19 September 2013 @ 06:43 pm
Hannibal 1x01: "What Not To Say In the Men's Room"  
As Amber pointed out, we're partying more like '04 than '03-- still, I basically remember the entire surrounding 24 months as one long, awesome ride through M*A*S*H and BoB fandom. Though I believe the word is overused, ours was definitely deserving of the term EPIC.

I am already having a ridiculously good time-- I read Amber's thoughts this morning, am typing up my own reaction (from my atrocious, excited handwriting), and then I'm going to zoom over the Leigh's journal. I also bought a huge pack of 24 ink water-color pencils to celebrate, and for some reason I am drawing Mischa Lecter, so maybe I will share that.
Regardless, it will not be as awesome as Amber's post-its. Go check it out!



This first time I watched this, I was sure I was going to be turned off once the episode was over, because my reaction to Will in the first few minutes was distress and discomfort. Of course, that wasn't Will at all-- as I quickly found out-- that was a conduit. Hugh Dancy is so talented that his voice and body language change. His tone is very rhythmic and monotone, shoulders held with threatening strength… then, as he walks though the murder and little pieces of Will poke out, we see the quiet desperation and OH MY G-D YOU POOR LITTLE THING.

Ahem.

Anyway, the first time I saw the swingy-gold thing, I interpreted it as the arc of an astrolabe, the movable curve of metal on a globe or solar system model. Turns out, it's supposed to be a pendulum. X_x;;;

-As Amber said, Will is ruthless at pointing out the unpleasant truths of life to the FBI newbies, but hey-- they'd better get used to it now. They're gonna have a LOT to put up with.

-On the other hand, one should not have to put up with workplace sexual harassment, I AM LOOKING AT YOU, JACK CRAWFORD. I'm not being flip about this. Maybe, _maybe_ Jack was trying to come off as fatherly but, if someone had done that to me (and I do wear glasses), I would have felt VERY threatened and impinged upon.
… and they would not have gotten their fingers back. But that's beside the point.
(I wouldn't eat them. Don't judge me. ^_~)


-In spite of Will's kind of distressing dismissal of the Shrike's victims as actual individuals, there's something very telling about the metaphor he gives Jack.
"I would hide how special she [the 'golden ticket'] is. Wouldn't you?"

Some things are too precious to be shared. With anyone. Will has probably learned that the hard way, but I imagine its a lesson he only needed once. (So please stop accepting unknown breakfasts from imposing gentlemen with nondescript European accents!)


-Will says Mr. Nichols can hold the cat if it helps. Will's thoughts are: "Animals = better than people= much better than being comforted by people, especially me".


-Jack always touches Will like he thinks he's gentling a wild horse. Knock it off, Jack!
*Ziva voice* Red light!

-And he's not gonna take advantage at all, no sir. He's totally gonna make sure he's got Will covered 80% of the time. Fuck you, Jack-- just go out and buy a damn handlebar mustache so you can twirl it threateningly and say, "My intentions are honorable…. heh heh heh."



But back to more important things, like Will and HIS PUPPIES. He doesn't like people, but when he sees a strange dog on the side of the road, he's all "OH HAI LET'S BE BESTEST FRIENDS FOREVER."

-The new dog's name is Winston. Please believe me when I tell you that I have put a lot of thought into whether or not Will would have named all his dogs in the theme of prominent WW2 heroes. (Franklin! McArthur! Patton! Truman! ect!)
I eventually decided no, but still.

-Will shivering under the towels he lays out on his bed just ties me up in knots… because I've been that sick (and detoxing) and you can never get warm. You can sit under the shower with you knees up to your chest and the handle so far over to 'hot' that the entire room is opaque with steam and _still_ shiver like you're in the bowels of winter. The cold comes from inside.

… THIS SHOW IS TRIGGERY AS HELL FOR ME, I will not lie.



-Fun fact! Will 'likes the smell of urinal cakes'. X_x;; Cute, Will, and also pretty high up there on the List of Things Not To Say IN the Men's Room.
(Also: "My g-d, is it supposed to bend that way?"
"Seriously, was the mohel drunk?"
and
"I find the best refuse here!")


-Another fun fact: Jimmy Price has accumulated tons of useless trivia about creepy predatory birds! He will be on Jeopard shortly. ("A group of crows." // "That would be, 'What is a murder?', Alex.")
… sorry, couldn't resist.

-Hannibal cuts his meat the way a sculptor cuts clay. Seriously, I keep waiting for him to score it properly, or wet it with a sponge. I'm warning you now, I spend way, _way_ too much time analyzing Hannibal-as-an-artist. To me, it's one of his more intriguing "cultured" aspects, because it can't possibly fulfill the function it does for most artists. Hannibal doesn't want to express himself-- he's too tightly controlled. So what does he draw? What does it mean?

Whatever it is, I am NOT sharing my watercolor pencils with him, BECAUSE HE IS MEAN. Will, however, is most welcome to come over. We will draw puppies and kitties and a beautiful rainbow, DAMN IT.


-"I hate being this neurotic."
Poor Franklin. He doesn't get a lot of sympathy in fandom, and things only get worse from here. ;-[
Hannibal, the whole human race is neurotic. You, on the other hand, are a spectacular abnormality because you are either so sane it's driven you crazy, so crazy it's driven you sane, or BOTH.


-When Jack says Hannibal's monograph was 'interesting', he means he didn't understand about 67% of it. (Yes, I know I'm mean to Jack. This will not change.) You cannot tell me Hannibal wasn't at least toying with the idea of killing Crawford, if only for a moment.

AND Jack is rude. Do you paw things in museums, mister? You don't know what kind of lead or charcoal Hannibal was using so DON'T TOUCH THE DAMN DRAWINGS, OKAY!? (This may be a pet peeve of mine. ^^;)


-If Hannibal isn't absolutely fascinated by Will from word 'go', then he is definitely hooked by the time Will calls Freddie Lound's yellow journalism 'tasteless'.

WILL: "You won't like me when I'm psychoanalyzed."
… Actually, Will, I think it turns Lecter on. o____O

By the time Will calls the copy-cat murders 'petulant', the entire fandom is basically; "Let the mating dance begin!" G-d help us all.
(I am not casting aspersions. I've written Hannibal/Will slash. I am well on my way to Fandom Hell BINGO.)


-Hannibal is like a vampire because he keeps asking Will to LET HIM IN. Don't do it, Will! Don't! … ah, damn it.

-And Dr. Lecter is practically salivating, because Will knew _instantly_ that the copycat and the Shrike are two different people. "What gave it away?" he asks, enthused. Then, he makes Will laugh-- it's a rusty, helpless sound, like Will isn't used to doing it.

THEN he tells Will to finish his breakfast, which would sound patronizing if it weren't also in the EXACT TONE MARRIED COUPLES USE. Stop it, boys! I am incoherent for the rest of the episode, aside from wringing my hands and controlling my breathing while poor Abigail is attacked.


-That last scene? There's nothing better than waking up in a hospital after being attacked by your cannibalistic serial killer dad, only to find that your hand is being comfortingly held by yet another cannibalistic serial killer.
*dryly* I'm all uplifted now.

And Will? Will is giving both Hannibal and Abigail the speculative 'how many more puppies can I fit in my house' look.

THIS SHOW.

Here end-th any ability to articulate. Thank you.


Be sure to check out both Leigh and Amber's reactions, which are much more entertaining than mine.
^____^




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Amber: hannibal | crime-solving hipster kidminttown1 on September 19th, 2013 10:54 pm (UTC)
this comment is just me quoting your entire awesome entry
but, if someone had done that to me (and I do wear glasses), I would have felt VERY threatened and impinged upon.
… and they would not have gotten their fingers back. But that's beside the point.
(I wouldn't eat them. Don't judge me. ^_~)

This went from poignant and spot-on to hilarious in the space of two sentences. A++.

"Animals = better than people= much better than being comforted by people, especially me".
ajskpadjkajdklas

(Also: "My g-d, is it supposed to bend that way?"
"Seriously, was the mohel drunk?"
and
"I find the best refuse here!")

and a murder of crows both have me in a giggle fit.

Will, however, is most welcome to come over. We will draw puppies and kitties and a beautiful rainbow, DAMN IT.
ilu


Hannibal is like a vampire because he keeps asking Will to LET HIM IN. Don't do it, Will! Don't! … ah, damn it.

:(

What the hell did you two get me into?

p.s. Do you think it bothers Leigh that you (to a lesser extent) and I (completely) make jokes while she writes intelligent commentary?
Meredith Bronwen Mallory: hugsgarnettrees on September 20th, 2013 12:14 am (UTC)
Re: this comment is just me quoting your entire awesome entry
This went from poignant and spot-on to hilarious in the space of two sentences. A++.
Thank you. ^_^ Most people at work think I am ridiculously neurotic/uptight because I am the sort of person who asks, "Is it alright if I hug you?" before doing so. But I'm a big believer in personal space, and I'd never want someone to feel the discomfort I sometimes feel. Internet hugs, on the other hand, are AWESOME. And real hugs from people I trust. ;-)


Will, however, is most welcome to come over. We will draw puppies and kitties and a beautiful rainbow, DAMN IT.
ilu

You can come over, too! We'll draw kitties and have milk-jellies and have a tea-party using kool-aid instead. AND we'll use the wrong silverware, just to show Hannibal what-for.

What the hell did you two get me into?
A deep and churning void of angst-ing pretty boys and despair? *sheepish* And Bev! Bev is pretty awesome, intro scene aside.

p.s. Do you think it bothers Leigh that you (to a lesser extent) and I (completely) make jokes while she writes intelligent commentary?
No, not at all. First of all, you HAVE to find the humor in this show. Actually, first you have to get a flash light and a shit-ton of batteries and _then_ you have to find the humor in this show, because it's so dark.

Also, you made an excellent point about Will's 'mall of america' comment, which I did not catch the first time around. I thought that was very insightful. And I appreciated someone who was also uncomfortable with the father/daughter dynamic. We all bring different things to the table-- that's what makes it so much fun! ^___^

Edited at 2013-09-20 12:14 am (UTC)
Amber: hannibal | crime-solving hipster kidminttown1 on September 20th, 2013 12:50 am (UTC)
Internet hugs, whoo! *hugs!*

I do not know what a milk-jelly is. :(

Actually, first you have to get a flash light and a shit-ton of batteries and _then_ you have to find the humor in this show, because it's so dark.
hahahahahaha omg you and your words.
Meredith Bronwen Mallory: 4400garnettrees on September 20th, 2013 01:16 am (UTC)
Milk jellies look like this this and this and are made with milk, vanilla, cream, sugar and gelatin. Not only are they exceedingly pretty and very sweet, there is almost no way you could use humans to make them, which is a definite bonus with this show! It's beautiful non-cannibal candy!

Perfect for tea-parties. ^_^
Amber: hannibal | crime-solving hipster kidminttown1 on September 20th, 2013 01:23 am (UTC)
Those look beautiful! I wonder, though, can you render gelatin from human bones... ;P
gamesiplaygamesiplay on September 20th, 2013 12:43 am (UTC)
Re: this comment is just me quoting your entire awesome entry
p.s. Do you think it bothers Leigh that you (to a lesser extent) and I (completely) make jokes while she writes intelligent commentary?

Actually, after I read both of your entries, I was like, "Oh, god, why is mine so unfunny, I am the most boring person here." So. You are all good. :)

(Also there reaaally isn't that much intelligent commentary happening on my journal.)
gamesiplaygamesiplay on September 20th, 2013 12:47 am (UTC)
Re: this comment is just me quoting your entire awesome entry
Also, after I watched the season finale, I compiled a list of Hannibal-Related Stuff On The Internet That Actually Makes Me Laugh, THANK GOD. (I think that the's actual name of the file.) And that was all I looked at on the Internet for a while. IT IS NECESSARY.
Amber: hannibal | crime-solving hipster kidminttown1 on September 20th, 2013 12:48 am (UTC)
gamesiplay: LOLgamesiplay on September 20th, 2013 12:54 am (UTC)
Heeeeeee. Tumblr is all over the stupidly hilarious Hannibal responses, I mean they have that shit COVERED, and I really appreciate it. I don't even use Tumblr! But I get linked to a lot of goofy Hannibal stuff there, yay.
Amber: hannibal | crime-solving hipster kidminttown1 on September 20th, 2013 12:47 am (UTC)
hahaha, awww, you are not unfunny or boring, you actually write the best recap in terms of actual recapping, and very eloquently, too. Leigh, I would totally read your novelization of this television series based on a novel.
Meredith Bronwen Mallory: hugsgarnettrees on September 20th, 2013 01:18 am (UTC)
I would like to second this comment all over the place. I really enjoyed the sharp wit in your entry, Leigh, and I would read any novel you wrote.
gamesiplaygamesiplay on September 20th, 2013 01:33 am (UTC)
Part I!
YAY! I've been having so much fun today reading everybody's entries and comments. This was such a good idea, Meredith; thank you for having it. :)

for some reason I am drawing Mischa Lecter, so maybe I will share that.

!!! I'm excited now.

Hugh Dancy is so talented that his voice and body language change. His tone is very rhythmic and monotone, shoulders held with threatening strength… then, as he walks though the murder and little pieces of Will poke out, we see the quiet desperation and OH MY G-D YOU POOR LITTLE THING.

yes! This is exactly how I feel about that opening sequence too! Hugh Dancy is so freaking good there.

On the other hand, one should not have to put up with workplace sexual harassment, I AM LOOKING AT YOU, JACK CRAWFORD. I'm not being flip about this. Maybe, _maybe_ Jack was trying to come off as fatherly but, if someone had done that to me (and I do wear glasses), I would have felt VERY threatened and impinged upon.

See, and here I was all "blah blah blah symbolism blah blah thematic blah" about this moment, and of course, as you point out... actually it is also just a truly creepy move on Jack's part.

omg I have no empathy Meredith am I secretly a serial killer and I just don't know it yet

Will says Mr. Nichols can hold the cat if it helps. Will's thoughts are: "Animals = better than people= much better than being comforted by people, especially me".

I can only second Amber here: ajskpadjkajdklas.

The new dog's name is Winston. Please believe me when I tell you that I have put a lot of thought into whether or not Will would have named all his dogs in the theme of prominent WW2 heroes. (Franklin! McArthur! Patton! Truman! ect!)
I eventually decided no, but still.


...

Meredith, we are actually the same person. I had this exact same thought process when I was mapping out the dogs' personalities for fic, what, this is totally normal. Well, except mine was "WW2-era world leaders" rather than "prominent WW2 heroes," so there was going to be a joke about how that naming pattern only lasted a little while because eventually Will used up the easy ones like "Franklin" and "Neville" and "Harry" and found himself idly considering calling his newest dog "Josef," and then he was like, ...okay, no, Will, get a hold of yourself, this madness ends here.

I never actually wrote it, but it amuses me that we were thinking along the same lines.

… THIS SHOW IS TRIGGERY AS HELL FOR ME, I will not lie.

yeaaaah, me too. I'm actually glad that it didn't air just a little bit earlier than it did, because if I'd been watching in early spring of this year... I think I would legitimately have had a breakdown, not even lying. It was still close to the bone in, say, May, and it still is, but nothing like it would've been a few months earlier.

See, this is why I cannot honestly be objective about this show; it came along at seriously the perfect time in my life. :)

Another fun fact: Jimmy Price has accumulated tons of useless trivia about creepy predatory birds! He will be on Jeopard shortly. ("A group of crows." // "That would be, 'What is a murder?', Alex.")
… sorry, couldn't resist.


Heeeee! Jimmy Price maaay be my sentimental favorite of the trio--he's just so sweet! and kind of awkward!--and I love this idea.

[Surprise surprise, I went over the character limit.]
gamesiplaygamesiplay on September 20th, 2013 01:34 am (UTC)
Part II!
it can't possibly fulfill the function it does for most artists. Hannibal doesn't want to express himself-- he's too tightly controlled. So what does he draw? What does it mean?

Oh, this is so interesting! I hadn't considered this.

I actually feel sort of the same way about Hannibal's sexuality? I mean, the show doesn't give us much to go on, but I tend to read Hannibal as either asexual or sort of omnisexual, and in either case, sexuality doesn't work for him the way it works for most people--it's less about human connection and inextricably tangled up with violence and taste and... consumption. (ahaha, "consumption" looks a lot like "consummation," which are practically equivalent in Hannibal's mind anyway, this is probably only funny to me.)

We will draw puppies and kitties and a beautiful rainbow, DAMN IT.

:D

You, on the other hand, are a spectacular abnormality because you are either so sane it's driven you crazy, so crazy it's driven you sane, or BOTH.

This is possibly the best one-line description of Hannibal Lecter that has ever been penned. Seriously. That's one of the most compelling things about the show--how Hannibal is outwardly (and quite possibly inwardly!) one of the most stable and non-neurotic and apparently well-adjusted characters that we meet. I think only Bedelia ever even comes close to finding the little cracks in him.

Then, he makes Will laugh-- it's a rusty, helpless sound, like Will isn't used to doing it.

Oh god, THIS. You have no idea how many times I rewatched that one moment, just because Will's laugh there is so hard-edged and complicated and surprised. Hannibal genuinely catches him off guard right there--it's a funny observation but also really penetrating for someone who's just met Will and Jack--and I think that's maybe when Will first does start to find Hannibal kind of interesting.
hab318princesshab318princess on September 20th, 2013 06:01 am (UTC)
I've only recently watched this... and I'm coming to the conclusion I must watch again because I was too distracted and missed too much :)
Meredith Bronwen Mallory: youarealldoomedgarnettrees on September 23rd, 2013 09:33 pm (UTC)
Obviously I'm biased-- but you most definitely should. I'd be thrilled to hear your comments! ^_^