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02 November 2004 @ 10:45 pm
I Guess Freedom is Selective, These Days  
The ban on gay marriage just passed in Kentucky. 75% of voters opted to violate the civil and human rights of people they they don't even know, people who have never done anything wrong. I wish I had something to say. I feel physically ill.

Actually I do have something to say. Something that I wish all these religious right nuts could wrap their tiny minds around. There's this thing in America-- it's called separation of church and state. That means you can not impose your religious 'ethics' (and boy, do I use this term loosely) on the law. If you god says that homosexuality is wrong, the law doesn't give a rip. It doesn't matter how much you quote the misogynist Paul, or the archaic laws of Deuteronomy and Numbers. That's not the deciding factor in the law. As long as we are not hurting anyone, then we are free to do as we will.

Also, any god that would punish people for being who they are is not god. Your warped, angry, vengeful parody of the divine belongs in the hell you so relish envisioning for others. You're making that hell here, on Earth, for us.

Thanks a whole fucking bunch.

This isn't over-- there will be fights to repeal this law and, if there is any integrity at all left in the Supreme Court, they will judge it unconstitutional. However, the fact that it made it on the books at all is sickening and sad.

To end, I will simply quote Mr. David Lister of the Red Dwarf. "I know what all the aliens say. They say, 'don't go near Earth, it's got humans on it."

That about says it all right now.
-Meredith

ETA: This motion passed in eleven states total-- Ohio being one of them. I guess I should wear a sign about my neck that says 'ask me why I'm a second class citizen'. *holds pieces of her heart*
 
 
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septicemic on November 3rd, 2004 04:07 am (UTC)
Hold me.
Meredith Bronwen Mallory: ayutwicegarnettrees on November 3rd, 2004 11:48 am (UTC)
*holds Septicemic gently* It passed in Ohio, and in eleven states all together. *sobs onto Septicemic's shoulder*
-Meredith
Debby: Joshua Treeenogitna on November 3rd, 2004 04:08 am (UTC)
i couldnt believe it either. im too depressed to puncuate. i really thought even bible thumping asshole fundies would understand they cant force their narrowminded views on everyone and could just live the way they want. i thought theyd understand that all people have the right to visit their children, to see loved ones in the hospital, to adobt, to recieve insurance coverage when faced with the death of their life partener. all of them passed.

i don't even want to live here anymore.
Meredith Bronwen Mallory: lily2garnettrees on November 3rd, 2004 11:54 am (UTC)
i really thought even bible thumping asshole fundies would understand they cant force their narrowminded views on everyone
Well, they're rejoicing and shouting to their tyrrant god now, saying that they have 'saved our society'.

i don't even want to live here anymore.
That makes two of us, doll. *longs for her beloved Subashiri, Nihon*

-Meredith
Skippymirrorskippy on November 3rd, 2004 06:16 am (UTC)
I don't even know what to type here, because everything I want to say, I want to say to the people who voted against it.

It bothers me So much, not only because of what you mentioned about church and state (which I completely agree with), but also because it does shed a bad light on people with a certain faith. I grew up Baptist and it's still a big part of my life. But it's my view, and I don't ever want to impose that on someone else, especially when it restricts their life in such a hideous way.

The irrational, emotional part of me wants to go to the house of every single person who voted that in and ask them face to face why?
Meredith Bronwen Mallory: notafraidgarnettrees on November 3rd, 2004 11:59 am (UTC)
it does shed a bad light on people with a certain faith.
It does-- it makes it worse when certain people of that faith get on TV and celebrate the violation of human rights.

I grew up Baptist and it's still a big part of my life. But it's my view, and I don't ever want to impose that on someone else
I was raised Baptist, as well-- my mother is still Baptist, and she voted against the ban in her state. So I know that not all are bad... it's nice to hear support from you, though. ^_^

The irrational, emotional part of me wants to go to the house of every single person who voted that in and ask them face to face why?
If only we could do that-- put a face to the people they're hurting so. If they couldn't look us in the eye, then maybe...

-Meredith
Skippymirrorskippy on November 3rd, 2004 04:05 pm (UTC)
I know that not all are bad

And it's fortunate that you had that knowledge beforehand. It's just really sad, because there are a lot of people who haven't had the previous positive exposure, and end up looking down on the faith as a whole (I have a good friend like this).


put a face to the people they're hurting so

Exactly. Some CNN reporter was saying he'd heard a lot of personal, emotional, and political reasons why people voted the bans in, but he had yet to hear a single logical and sound reason why gay marriage is a bad thing.

Lazuli: idiotlazzchan on November 3rd, 2004 02:13 pm (UTC)
I'm ready to spit nails. I wake up this morning and that's the first thing that I see. Holy freaking...*rubs head and tries to calm down* I know that you're angry enough about this, and hurt too. I know several people personally that are going to be hurt a great deal over this--one of them is in one of my classes. We were discussing this and hoping aganist all hope that some people would have the decency to do the right thing and think outside of their tiny little box. No, of course not. This is Utah. There was no hope from the beginning, but I feel better just because I did vote NO on it passing. Damn it, this isn't fair and isn't right and I'm so pissed off that something like this could get passed. Can't it get overturned, if enough people protest and do something about it? It's taking away the rights of people that have done nothing wrong. They aren't harming anything. The other thing that they are doing is harming somebody's sensibilities. Good grief, people! Get over it! Yes, it may offend you, but if you don't like it, look the other way. It doesn't directly affect you. There are enough people left in the world to overpopulate it.

*takes a deep breath and tries to calm down*

P.S. Posting this rant in my journal. ^.~
Meredith Bronwen Mallory: katiegarnettrees on November 3rd, 2004 10:02 pm (UTC)
I'm ready to spit nails. I wake up this morning and that's the first thing that I see. Holy freaking...*rubs head and tries to calm down*
I saw it last night, so I went to bed angry and woke up feeling fatalistic about it. I just.. feel so powerless. I've had flashes of anger during the day, but I'm really just overwhelmingly hopeless and sad. You could fit my faith in humanity inside a thimble and still have plenty of room left over, right now.

We were discussing this and hoping aganist all hope that some people would have the decency to do the right thing and think outside of their tiny little box.
Oh, but Laz, there are big, bad lesbians outside that box! ^_~

Can't it get overturned, if enough people protest and do something about it?
They can take it to the courts, but a lot of groups are sayingt they won't, because the state supreme courts will probably hand down the same decisions. I know people in Oregon are going to protest-- they're hopeful it can be overturned, since it won by such a thin margin there.

They aren't harming anything.
They just can't see that, can they?

There are enough people left in the world to overpopulate it.
This made me smile. The human race is, indeed, in no danger of dying out just because some people don't want to breed. ^_~

*takes a deep breath and tries to calm down*
*hugs Laz*
Thanks for your support.
-Meredith

Ps. Go for it!
gamesiplay: BoB -- WTF? (by yorda_)gamesiplay on November 3rd, 2004 08:38 pm (UTC)
Oh, Meredith. I don't even know what to say. *just holds you and cries*
Meredith Bronwen Mallory: frozengarnettrees on November 3rd, 2004 09:50 pm (UTC)
*holds Leigh back, sobbing* I don't know what to say, either. There are no words sharp enough to pick up for this.
-Meredith
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Meredith Bronwen Mallorygarnettrees on November 4th, 2004 06:06 pm (UTC)
*hugs back*

The talk of California seceding from the union is freakin' everywhere.
All I can say is take me with you.

It's not like they are going to ban gay marriage forever. It will be legal someday, you trust me.
Oh, I know. I'm prepared to fight, as well. Movements for social change have never had an easy road-- it's just depressing that there are so many bigots in our so-called 'modern age'.

it sounds like Ohio isn't the best place to be right now...
It never has been, but it's even worse now.. X_x
Welcome to Ohio-- please check your rights at the border.

And there's thunder. That NEVER happens where I live. I think that the universe is made ...
I hope you're okay! (I wouldn't be surprised if the Universe IS pissed. ^^)
-Meredith
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Meredith Bronwen Mallory: intentiongarnettrees on November 5th, 2004 07:51 pm (UTC)
Joyfully. There is plenty of room, and the weather is unusually nice.
You're sweet.

In the 1800s, the 1800s was the modern age. Do you know what I mean? Back then there were tons of middle-class women fighting as abolitionists, and they were appalled that slavery was still legal in the US when it was outlawed in Britain, France, *AND* Spain.
Actually, I find that depressing, too. ^^;;; I find human nature on the whole rather something of a double edged-swords. When we're brilliant, we're awesomely brilliant, but when we're stupid... well, we put just as much effort into it.

And, of course, the end of economic slavery came much later than the end of legal slavery. Women are still fighting to make sure our voices are head. There are too many people in this world who want to take your freedom away from you-- you always have to fight.

Eh, well, you could be in Indonesia.
This much is true. But just because it's worse over there doesn't make what's going on here right.

I'm glad to hear you're okay! ^__^
-Meredith

::coughs:: No, I'm not a history nerd. Not at all. Why do you ask?
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Lyonside: Prideneocatholic3000 on November 5th, 2004 05:26 am (UTC)
RE: Cleveland...
Hey, just a lurker w/ friends in OH, who let me know that the partnership benefits in Cleveland Heights are not affected by the "law." Similar to my own hometown in Philadelphia. So my friend and his partner still have _some_ protection. *sigh*

Which gives me hope for fighting on a local level.
Meredith Bronwen Mallory: ayumigarnettrees on November 5th, 2004 07:52 pm (UTC)
Re: Cleveland...
Nice to meet you, Neo! I'm glad to hear that things in won't be so bad for your friend and his partner. It gives me some hope. ^_^

Which gives me hope for fighting on a local level.
You're right, I think we're just going to have to work our way up.
-Meredith