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20 February 2005 @ 07:20 pm
BtVS Season Seven (-or-why there's a portal to hell in the school basement)  
So. With the exception of season three, I have officially seen all there is of Buffy the Vampire Slayer. I spent the last two days watching season seven, and I finished the final episode about an hour ago.

Needless to say, if you don't want to be spoiled about anything, ever (but especially season seven), then please don't read any further.


The over-all idea of season seven was kinda cool. I thought the first was lame in some ways (read, the constant tendency to look like Buffy or Dru), but I liked the idea of Slayer Potentials, and that they were all activated in the end. Some of the potential girls were awesome characters. Kennedy, Amanda, Toruk Ahn, and Molly were some of my favorites. We got to see Faith again-- she makes an awesome almost-good-guy. She and Buffy have a lot of sexual tension going there, too. There were some really snappy lines, most courtesy of Xander and Robin. I liked the glimpse we got into Spike's past. Seeing Niki's son was cool, as was the story behind the first slayer.

Cons? Well, I'd have to say, after carefully thinking things over, weighing everything, that the number one worst part of this season was that...

THEY KILLED MY SPIKE!!!!!(further unnecessary exclamation points)1!

We are not a happy Meredith, here. This obvious blasphemy is followed by the continued rotting pile of dog shit otherwise known as Spuffy. Good God, Spike is Love's Bitch, but he's not _that_ bad. I've never understood the idea behind Spike being in love with Buffy anyway-- it's so out of character that I keep waiting for everyone to show up with a little pointy beard. In canon, I'd have to say that the most convincing pairing for Spike is Spike/Dru.
of course, we all know that Spike and Xander are really passionately in love and creatively shagging like bunnies, damnit. ^_~

Other bones to pick:
-Xander is not a jerk. The writers seemed to forget that sometimes.
-They killed Anya. I'm surprised to find myself bothered by this.
-Buffy. "I am your leader!"/"Wait? You disagree with me? Wah! I'm going to run off and kick someone out of their home now!" "I have ambiguous feelings for Spike, so the obvious solution is to... snog Angel and then act like it's nothing!" "We're all gonna dieX100000". Shut up already.
-They killed Spike! *wails*
-Angel was in this season for what-- three seconds? Not that I mind, 'cause I can't stand the guy, but it seemed kinda pointless.
-There was WAY too much doom and gloom. I get that this was worse than anything in previous seasons, but sometimes they laid things on a _little_ thick.
-Xander's eye? NO.
-They killed Jonathan. They should have killed Andrew, instead.
-Did I mention that they killed Spike? Because I'm still upset about that.
-Also, Spike dying to be redeemed? No. That's Angel's shtick. Spike is morally ambiguous-- he protects those he loves and couldn't give a damn about anyone else. He understands that the world will kick you when you're down, so he kicks back. He's Spike. He doesn't need Buffy to give him purpose.


I have officially decided that my favorite seasons of Buffy are 2-5. Six was very lame, with all Buffy's 'I was in heaven, damnit!' angst, her 'now I'm screwing Spike, now I'm not' bit, and the Nerd Brigade. One was nice for setting the ground work, but it wasn't spectacular.

Now, Season Two introduced Spike and Dru, two of the most interesting vampire characters I have yet to encounter. Some of my favorite episodes are in that season-- 'School Hard', the swim-team thing, 'Halloween', 'The Dark Age', and so on. Granted, I haven't seen Season Three, but I'm looking forward to seeing it. I like Faith. Season Four has the return of Spike, so many great Xander/Spike moments, the Basement of Doom, and the Willow/Tara goodness. Season Five has Dawn, more W/T, and we get to ditch Riley. Not to mention there's 'Fool For Love', and the Split!Xander episode. True, we have the pesky beginnings of Spuffy, but it can be ignored.

All time favorite characters? Obviously, Spike and Xander. Closely followed in a three-way tie by Tara, Willow and Dawn. Then Faith, Oz, Giles, and Jonathan. I don't know why I like Jonathan, I just do.

Therefore, in the World According To Meredith, this is what happened:
Spike never thought he was in love with Buffy. He and Xander guard the hellmouth, gleefully shagging in all sorts of unusual places/positions. Tara never died-- she and Willow are running a school for witches. Buffy and Faith trade off being the Slayer of the Hellmouth, Giles is shacking up with Ethan, and Oz is just cute and furry. Sometimes Dru comes by for a crazy moonlight tea party. There.

*nods to herself, goes off to hunt down some S/X fic to make herself feel better*

To Amber, Raven, Ra, Miyeko, and Abyssinia4077th, I have this to say:
I'll get you. You won't know how, and you won't know when, but someday... I'll drag you into a fandom as pay back. ^_~


Oya, minna,
-Meredith
 
 
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Raven: pensive taraloneraven on February 21st, 2005 12:42 am (UTC)
Hey, you made it! Congratulations! And I'm not sorry.

Now there's Angel... (and believe me, I am saying this for a reason suggested by this post, which I can't tell you about because I'd spoil you).

I agree with you on season seven, actually. Good, but only in parts. Didn't you like OMWF and Tabula Rasa? They're good ones from season six. My favourite season is actually two, though. It's good stuff.

*sings* I got Meredith into a fandom, lalalalala....
Meredith Bronwen Mallory: notafraidgarnettrees on February 21st, 2005 02:36 am (UTC)
And I'm not sorry.
Didn't figure you would be, doll. ^_~

Now there's Angel... (and believe me, I am saying this for a reason suggested by this post, which I can't tell you about because I'd spoil you).
You mean Spike's return to life? Also, I love watching Spike annoy Angel, so... yeah. I have a feeling that Ats is the next stop for this bus. *sigh*

OMWF scared me. Spike sang. Xander sang. It was... traumatizing. ^_~ Tabula Rasa was hilarious. "I think I'm kinda gay"? 'Randy' being Giles' son? "Joan"? I giggled the whole way through.
-Meredith

My favourite season is actually two, though. It's good stuff.
Very good, indeed.

*sings* I got Meredith into a fandom, lalalalala....
Bite me. ^_~
-Meredith
who probably shouldn't say that to a vampire fan. ^^
gamesiplay: BoB -- Buck (by garnettrees)gamesiplay on February 21st, 2005 12:54 am (UTC)
I didn't read most of this because I didn't want to be spoiled, in case I ever get a chance to see the rest of the show.

But I agree that ALL THE BLAME falls on those awful people.
Meredith Bronwen Mallory: katiegarnettrees on February 21st, 2005 02:25 am (UTC)
I didn't read most of this because I didn't want to be spoiled, in case I ever get a chance to see the rest of the show.
Oh, you must at least see it through the end of the Glory-arc. ^__^

But I agree that ALL THE BLAME falls on those awful people.
Which people? The writers, or the Raven, Ra, Amber & Co? ^_~ I shall kick the asses of the writers, and adore Raven, Ra, Amber & Co whilst I await a chance for my revenge. *evil grin*
-Meredith
gamesiplay: BoB -- The best part (by yorda_)gamesiplay on February 21st, 2005 07:28 pm (UTC)
I'll probably try to watch more when I'm on break, assuming the reruns are still playing on FX.

*grins* I meant the evil fandom people, not the writers.
Meredith Bronwen Mallory: ayufuturegarnettrees on February 22nd, 2005 04:16 am (UTC)
I'll probably try to watch more when I'm on break, assuming the reruns are still playing on FX.
FX reruns everything into eternity so, yes, I think that's a safe bet. They should be around the second season by that time, so you'll see Spike! ^___^

*grins* I meant the evil fandom people, not the writers.
^^; In that case, we will simply subject them to the utter cuteness of Luz. *nod*
Amberminttown1 on February 21st, 2005 12:55 am (UTC)
Spike never died. He was on the final season of Angel. Sort of spoiled his death scene when everyone knew James Marsters had already signed that contract.

I happily await this magical future fandom conversion. :)
Amberminttown1 on February 21st, 2005 12:57 am (UTC)
If you agree with Raven that that's a spoiler, I apologize so much. I didn't even think about it, since I knew before I got into either show. Sorry. :(
Meredith Bronwen Mallory: frozengarnettrees on February 21st, 2005 02:23 am (UTC)
Don't worry, I'm not spoiled. I know Spike's back in Ats, but I'm still ticked off. *sniffles* SPIKE! Dead in Buffy canon. *sigh*

It's all Buffy's fault, somehow. *pouting*
-Meredith
Amberminttown1 on February 21st, 2005 02:53 am (UTC)
Can we blame Buffy AND Angel? That would make me feel better. *pouts, too, for no reason*
Meredith Bronwen Mallory: lily2garnettrees on February 21st, 2005 03:06 am (UTC)
Fine by me!

*points at Buffy and Angel* It's all YOUR FAULT! *sends Spike and Xander fan girls after them*

-Meredith
who thinks Amber must be cute when she pouts
Kellyn: b/a forever by hey_pumpkinnytekellyn on February 21st, 2005 01:13 am (UTC)
- Spuffy. *shudders* Don't get me started. I'm biased because I'm a Buffy/Angel 'shipper, but if anyone watches the whole series, they'll see that later seasons Spike is so out of character. You may have come into the game late, but I'm glad you see the wrongness that is the "development" (if that's what you want to call it) of the character of Spike.

- Seasons 2-5 are my favorite seasons as well, with the exception of 4 (I hate Riley). There's only a few episodes in that season I liked. However, my ultimate favorites are seasons 2 and 3. (I'm certain you'll love three. There's not a lot of Spike, but the episodes are great.)
Meredith Bronwen Mallory: ayufuturegarnettrees on February 21st, 2005 02:31 am (UTC)
Don't get me started. I'm biased because I'm a Buffy/Angel 'shipper
Buffy/Angel makes sense to me. They can handle each other. They deserve each other, bring out each other's redeeming characteristics. I still thinks he's something of a pervert because of the age difference, but still.

but if anyone watches the whole series, they'll see that later seasons Spike is so out of character
It's fucking tragic, is what it is. I want my Spike back, damnit! My pissed-off-about-the-chip, Xander-baiting, Buffy-hating, duster-wearing, Sunnydale-sign-destroying Spike!

(I hate Riley).
I hate him too. *kicks Riley*

(I'm certain you'll love three. There's not a lot of Spike, but the episodes are great.)
I'm looking forward to getting my hands on it. ^___^
Love Spike so much. Love Xander, too, actually. And I'm looking forward to Faith.

-Meredith
Abyssis: Fandom Harryabyssinia4077 on February 21st, 2005 05:16 am (UTC)
Sorry, not gonna apoligize for sucking you in. Hell, you've been making me tempted to go rewatch. Not that I have any access to it...

You are right, Spike & Buffy just didn't work. In fact, for the most part, Buffy went downhill with Glory and never looked back, aside from a few key episodes.
*holds out Angel* "hey there, want some crack...it's pretty good if you ignore the, um, middle, and suspend your brain for the end"

Anya at least grew on me enough that I was sad to see her go. And I miss Giles. And you need to see season 3!!!!

And I'm going to have to put my foot down on your comment thread and come out loud and clear in Riley Finn's defense. I know I'm in the minority, but I liked the boy damnit.
Meredith Bronwen Mallory: jadegarnettrees on February 21st, 2005 11:17 am (UTC)
In fact, for the most part, Buffy went downhill with Glory and never looked back, aside from a few key episodes.
*much nodding* Getting kinda used to that, I am. After the fourth season, SG-1 began it's long slide down the pooper, to the point where a good episode is now a freak occurence. Very sad, it is. Come to think of it, SG-1 was ruined by a 'ship, too. Jack/Sam is evol, it is.

*holds out Angel* "hey there, want some crack...it's pretty good if you ignore the, um, middle, and suspend your brain for the end"
*just _looks_ at Aby* You're my dealer now, eh? ^_~ Unfortunately, Ats seems harder to get a hold of than BtVS.

Anya at least grew on me enough that I was sad to see her go.
Exactly. I was sort of surprised by that.

And I miss Giles.
I miss a non-Spike-killing Giles! ^_~

And I'm going to have to put my foot down on your comment thread and come out loud and clear in Riley Finn's defense. I know I'm in the minority, but I liked the boy damnit.
I'm sorry-- I keep forgetting that you like him. We'll only maim him a little, promise. ^_~ Okay, I can stand Riley when he's not around Buffy. In fact, I almost like him when he's rescuing Oz. Riley/Oz... could be that boy's salvation from Buffy bitchdom. Yes. ^___^

-Meredith
Abyssis: Fandom Harryabyssinia4077 on February 22nd, 2005 12:35 am (UTC)
I've never seen any Stargate, but it seems pretty common for shows to fade in their last few years. I mean, okay, Star Trek: TNG prety much avoided that and they cancelled Boomtown after it's first season so it didn't have the chance, but in general, I think maybe the creators just lose steam.

I'm *a* dealer certainly. I bet you have plenty of other though. I mean, my stock is pretty limited.

It almost sounds like if a guy gets with Buffy, you don't like him. Or you don't like any of them when they are with Buffy, if that makes any sense. I'm curious what you feel about Buffy (specifically pre-death Buffy - the one who wasn't as annoying).
Riley/Oz. I think my head just went POP
Meredith Bronwen Mallory: love1garnettrees on February 22nd, 2005 04:22 am (UTC)
I'm *a* dealer certainly. I bet you have plenty of other though. I mean, my stock is pretty limited.
*blush* Yes, I am a fandom whore. Can't help it, really. *offers Stargate to Aby* Military fandom.... cute archaeologist... ^_~

Or you don't like any of them when they are with Buffy, if that makes any sense.
It does make sense. I will admit that Buffy seems to suck the life out (and character) of her boyfriends-- at least to me. However, no matter how much she ruins Spike, I'll always love him. 'Cause he's Spike and all.

As for Buffy herself... she has her moments. Curiously, the moments I seem to find her most enjoyable often happen in conjunction with Faith. Yeah... Buffy/Faith, I could get behind.

(specifically pre-death Buffy - the one who wasn't as annoying).
That's true-- though she got a little irksome in the early 4th season.

Riley/Oz. I think my head just went POP
Awww.. comeone-- military farmboy and punk-rock werewolf? What's not to love!
-Meredith
Abyssis: Fandom Harryabyssinia4077 on February 22nd, 2005 03:39 pm (UTC)
Military fandom.... cute archaeologist...
...did you say military fandom WITH archaeology?
that isn't going to be healthy.... :)
Unfortunately, I have no idea how to go about obtaining said fandom. Or perhaps fortunately, as I'm unsure how much I need more holes in my head :)
I shall keep an eye out for the opportunity though.

Buffy interacting with Faith is definitely interesting. You still haven't seen season 3, right? Because that is all Buffy vs. Faith. Faith has some interesting appearances on Angel too. Actually, come to think of it, I may find Buffy to be one of the least interesting slayers.

Awww.. comeone-- military farmboy and punk-rock werewolf? What's not to love!
What's not to love? Nothing, that's what. I mean throw Doyle from Angel in there and you'd probably kill me dead.
Miyekomiyeko on February 21st, 2005 07:50 am (UTC)
a three-way tie by Tara, Willow and Dawn

Should I admit to how I misread this the first time? ("A three-way WITH...") Heh. Dawn is too young and too much like a baby sister to them to join in those kinds of shenanigans. (^_~)

To Amber, Raven, Ra, Miyeko, and Abyssinia4077th, I have this to say:
I'll get you. You won't know how, and you won't know when, but someday... I'll drag you into a fandom as pay back. ^_~


Bwahahaha! *beams* Should be interesting.
Meredith Bronwen Mallory: ayutwicegarnettrees on February 21st, 2005 11:19 am (UTC)
Should I admit to how I misread this the first time? ("A three-way WITH...")
Ohhhhh... someone's a bad little girl! ^_~

Dawn is too young and too much like a baby sister to them to join in those kinds of shenanigans. (^_~)
Definitely. I always love how, in the first episode with Dawn, she mentions learning 'stuff that Willow and Tara do' and Buffy freaks out. So cute.

Bwahahaha! *beams* Should be interesting.
*evil smile* Have you tried Harry Potter? Stargate SG-1? The Sentinel?

-Meredith
Ravenloneraven on February 21st, 2005 05:20 pm (UTC)
*evil smile* Have you tried Harry Potter? Stargate SG-1?

Ahem. And who got you into those?
gamesiplay: BoB -- The best part (by yorda_)gamesiplay on February 21st, 2005 07:30 pm (UTC)
*raises an eyebrow* I think Meredith, Amber, and I need to drag you into Band of Brothers somehow, now.
Ravenloneraven on February 21st, 2005 08:01 pm (UTC)
*quails* Was that a threat? That was a threat. I feel threatened.

Okay. Explain BoB to me.
gamesiplay: BoB -- Lipton (by lamadeleine)gamesiplay on February 21st, 2005 09:05 pm (UTC)
Theoretically, sometime in the very distant future, I am explaining BoB to the fannish world at large at crack_van; I'll hook you up if it ever happens.

The basic thing to know is that it's a ten-episode television miniseries from 2001 that follows an American infantry company through WWII, from training in the States to the end of the war in Germany. And it's long and sprawling, purportedly with five hundred speaking parts and ten thousand extras. Yeah. It takes multiple viewings just to match up the names and faces of all the main characters.

Needless to say, war story + a lot of young and talented actors = much slash. See also camp_toccoa, which is actually fairly quiet right now. (The fandom used to be much more slash-centric, I think, but since the advent of aldbournewhores it's been less so. Or that's my impression.) Mainly, there is a Big Epic Love Story between Winters the company commander and Nixon the intelligence officer, which contains a great deal of phallic imagery (Winters staring at Nixon as he lights cigarettes, Nixon driving up to Winters on a tank with a very prominent gun), and culminates in Nixon practically proposing to Winters and their going home together. No, I'm dead serious. There are a lot of other things that can be and are explored--after all, five hundred speaking roles leads to a lot of favorite characters--but that's what catches a lot of people's attention first. See also The Screencap of Incredible UST, Winters being the redhead facing the camera and Nix the dark one facing away. That's the image that got me into the fandom.

Other multi-purpose references for the uninitiated:
-The Winters/Nixon ship manifesto
-Why This Fandom Is Slash, in pictures (you've probably seen this before)
Meredith Bronwen Mallory: pmsgarnettrees on February 22nd, 2005 04:25 am (UTC)
theoretically, sometime in the very distant future, I am explaining BoB to the fannish world at large at crack_van; I'll hook you up if it ever happens.
*is so proud* Oh, Leigh, you're converting the world at large! *grins* I knew your evil had no bounds.

Screencap of Incredible UST,
Yeah-- that would be it. Definitely. Honestly, Lewis, even if we can't see you, I know you're drooling. ^_~
-Meredith
Meredith Bronwen Mallory: love2garnettrees on February 22nd, 2005 04:23 am (UTC)
Ahem. And who got you into those?
I conceed Stargate, but Harry Potter just happened. It's just your fault I did the SB/RL thing. *has dignity* ^_~
Ravenloneraven on February 22nd, 2005 05:25 pm (UTC)
Heh. Denial...
moonspinnermoonspinner on February 23rd, 2005 11:24 am (UTC)
Could you please...
Two friends and I are writing a little A/P tale over at the boards. I'd be delighted if you just took a look and let me know what you think. Here's the link

http://boards.theforce.net/The_Saga/b10476/15903183/p21/?512